MINUTES ART CATEGORY 6/6/08

fernfiddlehead: aaaannnnddddd here's Michelle
BululuStudio: hi michelle
angelasart: Hi Michelle
MidwestieLady: Hi Michelle
Lisaober: Be yourself!
MissKnits: hi michelle!!
exdesigns: hi Michelle
iWear1: lol
debralinker: Hi Michelle
Lisaober: Hi!
madelaine: Hello!
baconsquarefarm: hi
edamamepress: hi michelle!
NestaHome: hi!!!
dancingcircle: hi
DHDelectables: heyyyy michelllle
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GreenRoom: hey michelle!!
Lisaober: Just be you
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Lisaober: He was nice
iWear1: o my goodness brb lol
debralinker: Is anyone else having problems with the audio dropping out constantly
debralinker: ?
StarBear: yes
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MysticSilks: yes
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Egilpatr: hello
withremote: nope, but I work at the ISP
madelaine: hahaha
BululuStudio: great
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Explorations: did you get a haircut too?
HouseofSixCats: hey
DreamON: great, Heymichelle
CraftDiner: looking forward to an art section!!!
bsartstudio: Hello!
dmriceart: ART!!!! category!
artonthemenu: Hello! Hi Michelle
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DianeClancy: yes dropping speech
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SarahsSky: http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5649589
dmriceart: http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5649589
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DHDelectables: mannnn do i need to be in here haha my shop is suffering
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DreamON: yikes!
Explorations: 10,195
withremote: thats' a lot
bsartstudio: wow
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withremote: um yes
BululuStudio: art is complex
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withremote: 2d / 3d
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CraftDiner: visual art is a common title for two dimensional wall art.
Lisaober: Where is that?
StarBear: just refer to it as graphic art to differentiate from jewellery, sculpture etc.
SarahsSky: http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5649589
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dmriceart: StudioLyon... rocks!
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peaceofpi: also scrapbooking fills a lot of the art category - aren't they paper goods?
maiat: Hello!
CraftDiner: scrapbooking should not be in an art category...
estasketch: a lot of stuff is mistagged, peaceofpi
HeyMichelle: * Photography to a separate category
ScottBulgerPhoto: Photography should stay in Art.
BululuStudio: yes of course
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ScottBulgerPhoto: Or dissolveArt altogether.
angelasart: Photography should stay in art but it should be easy for people to find it in there
withremote: photo should be a sub of art definatly
HouseofSixCats: Thank You!!
peaceofpi: I agree on the mistagging and scrapbooking is a big one that is misplaced - but under mixed media there is a scrapbooking sub-cat
angelasart: Yay :)
HeyMichelle: * Original art to a separate category
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debralinker: If ScottBugler says it should stay in art - that's all the reference I need!
MysticSilks: photo should be a sub category of art!
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iWear1: hey michelle a favor
Lisaober: Yes it is
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dmriceart: Original >>FIRST
angelasart: Thank you so much for addressing this :)
HeyMichelle: OOAK as a tag
HeyMichelle: "one of a kind"
Art2ArtColorado: yes!
withremote: editions and one of akind
IndieMoon: Orig OOAK
sococreative: well that would help
DHDelectables: yeah, i don't sell prints at all and i let them know in my shop announcement and in my tags it says original art
estasketch: handmade prints aren't one of a kind, but they are original..
edamamepress: yes! OOAK
bsartstudio: i think that should be a separate tag
madelaine: most buyers don't understand that OOAK is not a tree
artonthemenu: Good idea! It would also help educate the buyers
bsartstudio: what about people that repaint the same thing over?
DreamON: too many people don't know that acronym
Egilpatr: Woulda buyer search for one of a kind
MysticSilks: I'm not sure the public would know to search under " one of a kind"
withremote: prints are usually editons
dmriceart: OOAK is good... but we need to have it explained
DianeClancy: OOAK would mean no reproductions
angelasart: I don't like OOAK, I think most people don't know what that means?
SarahsSky: it takes so much time to make an original piece of art and you cant compete with people who can list so fast with reproductions.. i think original art having its own category would be good
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CraftDiner: People who collect art see the term original as the original piece.
debralinker: EXACTLY the OOAK problem - public knowlege
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peaceofpi: don't like OOAK - most people don't know what it means
MysticSilks: original art should have it's own category
peaceofpi: yes mysticsilks
dmriceart: Mystic, the problem is ... original as a word... is not understood... that is the discussion
MidwestieLady: Lots of people tag their craft items OOAK too
debralinker: That level of educating the public takes a LONG time and you have to do it over and over and over
MysticSilks: many jewelry designers think their jewelry fits into 'original art"
scentbythesea: I like OOAK!
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DianeClancy: origianl vs one of a kind - means never making a reproduction
ScottBulgerPhoto: The problem with the word "original" is that it applied differently to painting, prints, and photography.
MissKnits: yea i see lots of jewelry tagged ooak
DHDelectables: yeah i personally wouldn't think to search one of a kind
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Egilpatr: Hand-pulled prints are not one of a kind!!
madelaine: ScottBulgerPhoto That is very true.
SarahsSky: hey jared
BululuStudio: agree
jared: Hello!
edamamepress: printmaking would also be a helpful category to separate handpulled prints from reproduction
ScottBulgerPhoto: You can have an edition of 50 photographs, yet they are all originals. They aren't "copies" as would be typically understood.
dmriceart: Proven... buyers who stay longer, buy more... so the mix is actually a positive thing...
GreenRoom: maybe break up art by the different mediums
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HeyMichelle: * Separate category for 2D vs 3D art. Brainstorm possible names for this
thepairabirds: Good point Scott about photos all being originals
neawear: hey jared!
Art2ArtColorado: assemblage
Lisaober: You could take a poll
Explorations: assemblage
Egilpatr: wall-hung mosaics?
GreenRoom: i do hand painted pillows
sococreative: michelle, how about changing 'art' to 'visual art''? and from there, 2D and 3D
peaceofpi: how about functional art as a category, assemblage as another
neawear: cross-stitch in a frame? Housewares with art as a tag?
dmriceart: ACEOS... ?
BululuStudio: found objects art
ElenaMary: Hello! OOAK artists books!
angelasart: This could be solved by changing the catagory name to "visual art" instead of just "art"
bsartstudio: is there going to be a way to search within the art category without going into the art page first? its difficult to search without getting a lot of other returns (that have art as secondary categories)
Egilpatr: mirrors?
withremote: aecos must stop
MysticSilks: but many jewlery sellers are tagging their items as art
VanFleetStreetDesign: aceo'sstop?
DreamON: right on - no jewelry in art
GreenRoom: hey michelle i do art on the front of my pillows
withremote: they are silly
bsartstudio: most people are looking for things on the wall
Egilpatr: interesting ? Buyers/sellers!
angelasart: I'm not sure how usefull that is to the buyers though
bsartstudio: not necessarily other things, when they type in art
neawear: unless it,s an actual art piece as a pendant in a necklace -yeah im crazy like that lol
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DianeClancy: don't uy them then remote
withremote: for trading that' cool, but for sale that lame
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sococreative: that's where putting visual art helps...because those things can go in other categories. because a buyer likely won't look in 'art' for jewelry
MysticSilks: hi liz
VanFleetStreetDesign: wow I disagree with "withremote"
Lisaober: For buyers, its rough...if they want a painting...or a sculpture
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neawear: oh thats true, no cat bleeding, i forgot!
lizplummer: Hi Mystic
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bsartstudio: michelle, i mean like a drop down from the front page... for each of the big categories... like handmade --> art-->
DreamON: pendant is still jewelry
MidwestieLady: ACEOs are selling for huge amounts of money.....
DHDelectables: yeah i think visual art would be helpful sococreative
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debralinker: Sculpture is art, yes?
neawear: true DreamON
DHDelectables: absolutely
CraftDiner: maybe taking a look at an art college curriculum would help sort out how to label things...
jenniferdennispotter: sculpture is art
bsartstudio: wohoo :)
Explorations: what art is not visual?
MysticSilks: sculpture is art
dmriceart: http://www.etsy.com/search_results.php?search_type=tag_title&search_query=3D+Art
Lisaober: sculpture is art
BululuStudio: of course
ArtByIris: Hello! sorry I';m late, did you speak about having prints show up separately?
artonthemenu: sculpture is art
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MidwestieLady: Please don't move ACEOs to collectibles
neawear: what about things that are 2 categories? like Hum... A needlework in a hoop frame? in Housewares, in Art or in Needlework? I'm lost lol
bsartstudio: artiris, nope
Egilpatr: Hoe about bas relief?
withremote: painting/printmaking/ect
stargazer29609: Hello!
jenniferdennispotter: bas relief=sculpture=art
ArtByIris: I mean prints as reproduction
artkitten: ACEO's are art, not collectibles
MysticSilks: all I know is many original works of art, as in high art is being lost in the searches.
sococreative: hey craftdiner...true. that would help looking at a college, they break things down pretty well.
DianeClancy: Buyers often don't differentiate between prints and reproductions
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debralinker: You mean, beNICE?
ArtByIris: no I mean, separating originals and prints
scentbythesea: i don't like the idea of 2D vs 3D, I don't think that the buyers will differentiate
dmriceart: Photos might want to have Traditional, Digital, Black/Whites... don't know... could poll the photographers?
withremote: isn't the point of a aceo to collect them
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sococreative: and I think it's important to think like a buyer while we're talking. I could sculptures and mosaics as 3d Art, and painting, photos , etcas 2D
BululuStudio: how about upcycles items? michelle
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artkitten: The point of most buyers of art is to collect it,
debralinker: Art as top level category????? Please?
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MysticSilks: so, what are we deciding?
Egilpatr: Can teams define for themselves
withremote: i mean like baseball cards
MidwestieLady: You can collect art of all sizes, ACEOs are just smaller
BululuStudio: yes
artsfarm: Howdy kids :-)
artkitten: right
peaceofpi: scrapbooking should not be in art
bsartstudio: journals, scrapbooks, not in art
DianeClancy: I like art as top level
Please vote: TGIF?
withremote: try framing and matting a aceo
jared: hgaha sorry
ScottBulgerPhoto: debralinker sounds liek Art is definitely staying top level
BululuStudio: no
Vote results: 40 yay, 2 nay, 24 abstain
withremote: TWO????!!!!!
DianeClancy: handmade journals?
MidwestieLady: Lots of people frame and mat ACEOs
artkitten: I can frame and matte aceo's
debralinker: Handmade / Vintage / Supplies / Art
Lisaober: What about styles? Realism, impressionist,etc.?
withremote: silly
HeyMichelle: 3. Brainstorm ways of how you think people like to shop for art. Examples are:
dmriceart: A Need to possibly replace Aceos ... SMALL ART ... don't get me wrong, I love Aceos!
Lisaober: By style!
nifties: size!
Lisaober: yes
bsartstudio: size!
BululuStudio: by colors
HouseofSixCats: true
Art2ArtColorado: media & styles ;) also size.
peaceofpi: wait - if scrapbooking is not art - why is it in mixed media sub-cat?
Lisaober: style, size, color, type
ArtByIris: I dissagree
dmriceart: Small Art is 14" in any one direction, or less
bsartstudio: size then color, then medium
karencaseysmith: color and/or subject
withremote: how is a reproduction hand made?
Explorations: type for me
BululuStudio: to match their decor
angelasart: I like to be able to browse by catagory and media, but whenever I try to do this I see mostly prints and not original paintings
nifties: and by original/reproduction
MysticSilks: If I am looking for original paintings--Let there be a category for that.
DHDelectables: I'm still new and i keep seeing ACEO pop up what does that stand for?
art2theextreme: To match their homes and room theme
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Lisaober: Style
artkitten: etchings and linocuts etc should be considered original prints
debralinker: Buyers call reproductions PRINTS> We can't change that!!!
artonthemenu: Good idea-size
angelasart: I would like a way to browse by general size too
nifties: they might want only originals
JessicaDoyle: art cards editions and originals
DHDelectables: oh thanks :)
dmriceart: Art Card / Editions/Originals
DHDelectables: haha
bsartstudio: also subject, but then that gets into crazy style categories... like expressionism vs. impressionism
nutnutgoods: s
ArtByIris: as a buyer, if I am looking for an original painting it's very hard to find on etsy
art2theextreme: Art Cards Editions Originals
Art2ArtColorado: size breakdowns would really help
edamamepress: it is harder to find original, handpulled prints because you have to wade through lots of reproductions when you search
nutnutgoods: prints
Explorations: and i only like originals
BululuStudio: style
HeyMichelle: color scheme/color
BululuStudio: art sytle
peaceofpi: will scrapbooking be removed from art/mixed/media sub-cat then?
Egilpatr: style
withremote: reproductions are not original
BululuStudio: style
art2theextreme: Print vs. original print
Art2ArtColorado: genre
scentbythesea: print or original
ArtByIris: I would get one original on every 50 reproduction in search
artkitten: right
angelasart: I would also like to be able to browse by subject
HeyMichelle: what it's on: canvas, paper, wood'
JessicaDoyle: by medium i.e. arrylic, oil or watercolor
art2theextreme: some say print, but it is a photocopy or photo
HouseofSixCats: theme
baconsquarefarm: I search for art by original, color, size, sculpture, handmade
Egilpatr: subject matter
dmriceart: Ceramics/Sculpture... etc?
peaceofpi: medium
BululuStudio: agree
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thepairabirds: hard to find hand-pulled prints cause using "NOT print"
MysticSilks: I agree bacon
sococreative: digital, oil, watercolor
HeyMichelle: techniques/artforms: printmaking for example
artkitten: yes techniques
stargazer29609: What about Original Digital Art?
art2theextreme: mine are all original prints when I do my lino cuts.. not copies of them
Lisaober: I search by stylke
VanFleetStreetDesign: block print
Explorations: i like assembalge that recycles/upcycles
withremote: screen printing / relief / intalio / litho
bsartstudio: i agree, that can also be too restricting
HouseofSixCats: subject matter
Lisaober: style
art2theextreme: not everyone is clear on that
thepairabirds: eliminates them
Egilpatr: anti-war is a subject
artonthemenu: would buyers understand that-technique
madelaine: Photographers: what do you tihnk about having digital and traditional split?
art2theextreme: I love collecting others prints and making a book from them
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dmriceart: Fiber / Fabric Mixed media art... (not the yarns, but the items created with fibers..
Art2ArtColorado: ;)
artkitten: techniques, and material is what the catagories should be separated in
jenniferdennispotter: I see no need to split digital and film
littlepurls: Hello!
ScottBulgerPhoto: Madelaine, I don't like the split idea
DianeClancy: Digtital art results in prints not reprodcurtions
ArtByIris: original digital is original but should show up separately from traditional pring
sococreative: that would mean that I made an image and only sold it once IMO, because each thing I make it technically 'original'.
Art2ArtColorado: i disagree jenni
thepairabirds: not split between digi and film photos
CreationsAnew: I don't like the split idea either
peaceofpi: techniques & materails/mediums
ArtByIris: traditional painting
MysticSilks: I agree Diane 100%
ScottBulgerPhoto: It segregates by emthod of capture
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neawear: true Diane
MysticLynx: You would get into a lot of shady area splitting digital/film
baconsquarefarm: I just prefer something totally handmade by the artist...so when I spend the money it's on something unique and original
scentbythesea: use original, print, and printmaking
iWear1: heymichelle a favor?
sococreative: digital is usually prints
Art2ArtColorado: how about start a thread for each medium?
artsfarm: I think 'by style' should have some weight since an artist might work in several media, but their style will usually be the same
Egilpatr: Have a look at categories on art sites like absolute arts
stargazer29609: Therare several artists create there art digitaly. I will convo you more info.
jenniferdennispotter: I don't feel it matters how you got the photograph
madelaine: I mean like darkroom, handmade prints, vs. printed on a printer... I don't really know, as I've never used a darkroom
Explorations: there is also digital art though
withremote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printmaking
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artkitten: printmaking is considered original and unique becasue each is an edition 1/10 etc...
bsartstudio: something to remember, the common person doesnt even know the difference between oil vs. acrylic vs. printmaking... we don't want to exclude someone looking for a wall piece
iWear1: yay
debralinker: absoluteart
DianeClancy: part of the reason that there are problems is the public doesn't differntiate between print and reproductions
DHDelectables: hey debralinker!!
debralinker: That is THE problem!
Art2ArtColorado: the louvre?
FreyRichards: including colored pencil in the painting category
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estasketch: i don't believe that... none of my friends, family, relatives, etc ever went to art school but they still know the difference between a painting and an etching. people aren't as stupid as you think...
ArtByIris: boundlessgallery.com
BululuStudio: Uncommongoods.com
withremote: there's a few good flickr printmaking pages
artkitten: colored pencil should be in original drawing
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Lisaober: drawing vs. illustration
MysticSilks: I think the fact that there are so many artists with 'original art work' that it would be grreat if etsy let the world know about this feature on etsy!
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art2theextreme: We need an etsy dictionary :)
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art2theextreme: Well not us.. but for buyers or new sellers
VoodooQueen: I think that some people are under estimating buyers knowledge here....
FreyRichards: depends on the image...colored pencils can be used to create a painting too
artsfarm: suggestion: art/sub-cat: portraiture, landscape, abstract, etc., with sub-sub categories withinn each one, however many there are
madelaine: To buy'ers, a reproduction is like a copy of a famous painting
HouseofSixCats: print is a very vague term
angelasart: I think it would be useful for people to be able to browse both by media AND by subject / color etc
debralinker: I am a painter. I called my reproductions prints out of ignorance and SO DOES THE REST OF THE WORLD
Art2ArtColorado: *a good basic art guide would be great!
DreamON: separate out printmaking
BululuStudio: there's an article at the storque what the word?
Explorations: i agree with voodoo
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Egilpatr: hand pulled is key for original prints., but they are limited editions
artkitten: calling prinntmaking "prints" and reproductions reproductions
artkitten: great idea
DianeClancy: some people care about orgianls and others jsut want beauty
artkitten: man I can't spell today
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HouseofSixCats: exactly
withremote: inkjet is not printmaking
Lisaober: posters, digital, giclee, etc.
artkitten: no
SarahsSky: hahahahaha
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VoodooQueen: i agree with withremote
art2theextreme: Mine are all original prints...
MidwestieLady: Print is a very vague term. So is the word Original.
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ScottBulgerPhoto: IS everyone elses video/audio very choppy or is it just me?
artkitten: mine is too
art2theextreme: Me too
edamamepress: the idea is to differentiate handmade from inkjet, posters, etcl
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angelasart: I think there should be a "printmaking" catagory to clarify this
withremote: nine's ok
debralinker: VERY choppy audio
thepairabirds: require reproductions to be tagged reproduction
VanFleetStreetDesign: Mine is too Scott
DreamON: yes,, choppy
ArtByIris: me too scott
artkitten: yes
HouseofSixCats: choppy here
JessicaDoyle: mine is to
stargazer29609: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_art
peaceofpi: giclee is reproduction
artsfarm: scott, yes, it looks like poor Michelle's head is going to fly off every once in a while
shirleyjean: Hello! also mine
bsartstudio: if we had the option to not get too confined for each item, that would be AWESOME
Egilpatr: abstract realism surrealism etc
withremote: reproductiosn should be seperated from the rest
IndieMoon: another vague term: lithography can mean 'traditional stone lithography' or 'commercially offset print litho"
bsartstudio: or if they buyer doesnt have to narrow it down either
HeyMichelle: motifs
DianeClancy: and there is a disagreemnt if it is ok to call call digital and phtoograohy origianl
dmriceart: http://www.ebsqart.com/OnlineArtGallery.asp
Lisaober: yes, realism is NOT surrealism so why is there a category for that
withremote: art lith vs offset
peaceofpi: love motif idea
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SarahsSky: my idea for the art category is to make jared sell some art
angelasart: I love that idea, please impliment it!
ScottBulgerPhoto: who is havign a disagreement about if photography can be called original?
JessicaDoyle: regardless of how one produces the end result it is art in the public's eyes
dmriceart: The list on the ebsq is amazing!
jared: someday
jared: soon
SarahsSky: yeah yeah
SarahsSky: hah
FreyRichards: There is not "drawing" category under the original category
ArtByIris: how far in the future?
Lisaober: Yes, EBSQ is great with categories
ArtByIris: just wonderign
peaceofpi: motif would be great for the buyer - nature, bird, people etc.
DianeClancy: many sites break down by categories like contempoarary
Lisaober: yes, styles
BululuStudio: original = unique piece
Egilpatr: works on paper, on canvas, on board, etc
withremote: contemporary is pretty vague too
artkitten: we should have categories based on techniques (painting, printmaking, drawing etc..)
bsartstudio: but then you get people that mislabel their styles or have no clue what each style means
art2theextreme: I like One of a Kind
FreyRichards: I agree with that Egilpatr
Art2ArtColorado: yes! to OOAK
DreamON: the public doesn't differentiate between how prints are created, but you ought to be able to say that an item is a print from your original painting without having to call it reproduction which sounds like you went to a copy machine and pressed start
dmriceart: Yeah!
Explorations: yes..try it..see waht happens
art2theextreme: Printmaking
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Lisaober: Drawing
peaceofpi: and get rid of scrapbooking from mixed media
PennyFabricArt: Hi all - I only have a minute between meetings. Would like to beg for a Fiber subcategory under art. For things like fiber/felted and fabric wall art and sculptures.
withremote: drawing
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MidwestieLady: But a general search for OOAK will bring in jewelry, soft items, household items, etx
ScottBulgerPhoto: Original does not apply the same way with photography
edamamepress: printmaking :)
withremote: mixed media
art2theextreme: thanks
Egilpatr: one of a kid does not cover hand pulled prints
stargazer29609: Maybe instead of motif maybe call it subject.
withremote: please for the love of peter printmaking
artkitten: right
Lisaober: Drawing?
DebiDesigns: figurative sculpture
debralinker: Original: drawing, sculpture, too
art2theextreme: What is OOAK.. one of the terms I have not learned yet..
Explorations: so penny...catagories by material type then?
ElenaMary: ooak artist books and journals
nifties: but isn't all original art one of a kind?
debralinker: FIBER ART!
artkitten: right materials and techniques
Egilpatr: theme. subject, topic,
art2theextreme: oooh
art2theextreme: ok
MysticSilks: But one of a kind, jewelry can add their items--with a one of a kind piece of jewelry.--:(
DebiDesigns: is it already a art subcategroy?
HouseofSixCats: photography should also, the composition is "original"
BululuStudio: agree nifties
MidwestieLady: OOAK - One of a Kind
FreyRichards: Please: colored pencil under painting AND drawing
art2theextreme: thanks
dmriceart: OOAK is good! but need to define ART versus ...
artonthemenu: Someone earlier suggested "traditional painting" as ooak. That would define it more closely
peaceofpi: **yes Elena Mary**
PennyFabricArt: Not trying to change the subject. Just putting in my 2 cents and running. We're using Original, Mixed Media, and Collage for lack of fiber category
withremote: like moist.
MysticSilks: silk art?
madelaine: In art, how about a traditional art/digital art/photography split?
bsartstudio: fiber is the generally accepted term
withremote: not appealing
stargazer29609: Buyers look for fiber art
debralinker: It's common for buyers to use fiber if they are in to buying fiber art
VanFleetStreetDesign: moist?
Chillionaire: i think a buyer looking specifically for fiber won't be confused!
Explorations: i love fiber art
madelaine: Then photographers can mark their photographs as originals, without being hunted
DebiDesigns: fiberarts is fabric painting
Lisaober: I like traditional painting
Egilpatr: art on...............canvas, fabric,
withremote: acrylic/oil/tempra
debralinker: Traditional is a specific, very specific thing
thedreamygiraffe: How would one of a kind work for paintings that would later be reproduced?
ArtworkbyNadia: how about custom art
DebiDesigns: contemporary quiltarts
lizplummer: There's also textile art that people search for
bsartstudio: what would traditional painting be?
dmriceart: Textile is a fibre art... ? ...
Lisaober: watercolor
Explorations: i like the idea of tradtioinal
MidwestieLady: Those buy fiber will be looking for that term.
Egilpatr: what does traditional mean?
stargazer29609: That can included art quilts, clothing
DianeClancy: it is still an issue of whether or not is ever ok to call digital and photo as original
bsartstudio: realism, then do you include impressionism?
withremote: reproductions in a seperate area
Lisaober: With real paint
BrushItOn: Hello! What is the definition of traditional painting???
thedreamygiraffe: Technically, the painting is one of a kind when listed
BululuStudio: rugs?
ScottBulgerPhoto: Madelaine, isn't "photography" traditionalart?
VanFleetStreetDesign: the dream giraffe had a great question Michelle!!!!!
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MysticSilks: repos in a seperate area
ArtByIris: brushitonlol
DebiDesigns: quiltarts, traditional quilting, crazyquilting
ScottBulgerPhoto: Diane, photographs are original
Lisaober: technicolor dream coat
bsartstudio: photography isnt traditional painting
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PennyFabricArt: Textile is good. People think beds when they think Quilt. Wall art and sculpture of fibers will never be found under Quilts.
Egilpatr: why can't we let the artist make their own within a few given categories?
HouseofSixCats: w/ photography it is the composition that is the original part
madelaine: ScottBulgerPhoto Most buyers would think traditional art to eb paintings, drawings, etc.
dmriceart: Flexibility is GOOD!!!
thedreamygiraffe: But if I list a painting as one of a kind and later list a repro in repros
Art2ArtColorado: i would support traditional painting vs "new media"
sococreative: yeah, I understand what you mean
BululuStudio: lol well depends if it made of diamonds?
madelaine: at least in my experience, which is limited
ScottBulgerPhoto: bsartstudio, but it is traditional art
artkitten: right because if you list it as OOAK
thedreamygiraffe: I'm just concerned that the person who purchased a "one of a kind" painting might feel misled
artkitten: then you aren't technically supposed to make repors of it later
art2theextreme: true
angelasart: I agree with thedreamygiraffe
peaceofpi: sounding like a broken record here Michelle - but you said scrapbooking is not under art - but it is under art/mixed media& I agree it doesn't belong there and clutters the category
DebiDesigns: artdolls?
PennyFabricArt: As a buyer, I'm not sure "traditional" helps when looking for paintings.
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dmriceart: Traditional/ Contemporary/Abstract/ ... etc...
bsartstudio: correct, they were talking about traditional painting, not traditional art
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thedreamygiraffe: And Michelle, I'm on dial-up, so I'm only getting actually every third word or so you say
HouseofSixCats: how about limited edition
sococreative: ooak should only be ooak if there is one sold. if there is more than one, maybe they should call it limited edition
VanFleetStreetDesign: that paintings which are OOAK could later be reproduced
Egilpatr: Traditional could men medium OR style
estasketch: in that case it's the original, but it isn't one of a kind. ooak and original are not interchangeable terms..
Lisaober: dmriceart, I agree
withremote: editions would be cool
FreyRichards: Please please: colored pencil under painting AND drawing
DHDelectables: there's always a fuzzy line between whats considered art or not thats what makes it tuff about figuring out categories people argue a lot of things to say something is art it happens a lot
MidwestieLady: Good point sococreative!
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debralinker: I'm on high speed internet and the audio is VERY choppy
HouseofSixCats: a limited run of prints made of a particular image
stargazer29609: I am not talking about clothing that is ordinary, Belle Amore has some great exsamples.
dmriceart: Thanks, Lisa
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ArtByIris: the value of an original ooak is totally different than a repro
peaceofpi: there is a category under mixed media for scrapbooking!!!!remove it yes?
PennyFabricArt: We all are artistic. We have to think of "art" category as what buyers think when they think art
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DebiDesigns: I'm on dsl lite and its choppy
debralinker: And everytime a buyer gives up quickly it hurts us all
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Lisaober: There should be a drwaing category
stargazer29609: I think scrapbooking should be under paper maybe.
debralinker: colored pencil is not PAINTING
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Lisaober: brush
nifties: yes
Egilpatr: Yes, the artist will be harder to satisfy than the buyer re category!
withremote: yes
Lisaober: yes
debralinker: You're right - painting is PAINTING
dmriceart: pastels, too
FreyRichards: no...colored pencils can be used to create a painting.
Lisaober: expecially to buyers
Art2ArtColorado: they now say pastels are "painted"
bsartstudio: pastels are becoming more like paintings
Lisaober: think about buyers
Explorations: there are watercolor pencils
peaceofpi: yes stargazer it it under BOTH papergoods and art right now
artkitten: pastels and colored pencil are both drawing techniques
DebiDesigns: fabric painting- as in contempoary quilt arts, crazy quilting, fiberart
nifties: brush used= painting
sococreative: yeah...maybe things like colored pencil, ink, pastels should go under drawing. because I was taught that's what they are
PennyFabricArt: so bummed - I have a client meeting. good luck sorting this out you guys! :-)
BrushItOn: there are watercolor pencils and I use them
DHDelectables: maybe dry media and wet media?
Art2ArtColorado: but, buyers would not necessarily know that
FreyRichards: I have a few websites I can send to you
MysticSilks: I think it is so important to be able to have a buyer looking for original art wrok to be able to search and find that category quickly
Lisaober: something in liquid form
debralinker: Painting as a technique or as a product?
Lisaober: Paint
VoodooQueen: the first thing I look for when I am searching for art is 'original' work, that means it isn't a copy in any way or form.
stargazer29609: Colored pencil is drawing and mix media techniquw.
ArtByIris: mysticsilk right
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dmriceart: Painting ... Drawing...
DianeClancy: My understanding - OOAK is never reproduced
artkitten: right
Egilpatr: Stay with the buyer for Etsy, then let the artist add their own, as now
dmriceart: Print (Screen)
BululuStudio: how museums categorize art? michelle great resource
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DHDelectables: Why wouldn't you just put original art in your tags if it actually is original art than no?
HeyMichelle: /ask your question
BrushItOn: color pencil and WATERcolor pencils are very different
FreyRichards: this gets into a old arguement over whether it's a technique or the tools
DebiDesigns: so this chatt is for paintings and photographs?
MysticSilks: I don't think a buyer should ahve to put in, "not this' or "not that' to find what they are looking for.
Art2ArtColorado: not true, Diane ;) a repro can be made of any OOAK
bsartstudio: i agree mysticsilks
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BululuStudio: agree mystic
DianeClancy: digital art - Painter uses digital brushes
bsartstudio: i think were getting a little too narrow
debralinker: QUESTIONS are not being taken at this time
artkitten: right
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peaceofpi: yes
artkitten: michelle
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debralinker: Turn on the question feature, mIchelle
FreyRichards: EXACTLY! Dianeclancy
Egilpatr: What will be imposed on teams' definitions of art
VoodooQueen: but many 'original' items in art cat are NOT original
VoodooQueen: I buy a lot of art here
nifties: lots of categories under "print" it looks good!
dmriceart: Yes, EACH print is a unique print ... in that arena...
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thepairabirds: yes printmaking- each is original
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debralinker asks, Will Art ever be at the same level as Handmade/Vintage/Supplies?
ArtByIris: how to ask a question?
fricdementol: gocco is also a original
fricdementol: and a print
DianeClancy: claerly education needs to happen with artists too - there are several things that people here do not agree on!!!
fricdementol: not a digital print
fernfiddlehead: type "ask/" and then the qeustion
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MysticSilks: you're right Diane
HeyMichelle: /ask your question
fricdementol: i see lots of digital prints with tag 'gocco'
debralinker: We would like to see it get first line attention like "Vintage" for example
fernfiddlehead: Oh I did it backwards. Sorry
stargazer29609: My opinion is that printmaking, photography and digital art are originals.
bsartstudio: ask/ what about the sellers that re-post paitings already completed "just for you" of work they have done before, but they repaint them....
MysticSilks: what about silk art? where would that go? I have original silk paintings
Art2ArtColorado: thank you stargazer
Explorations: put the "/" before "ask"
peaceofpi: most people don't think "Handmade" when they think "art"
artkitten: right
artkitten: they think art
sococreative: digital art is not an original if prints are made. it is original in itself, but if you make prints it's not "an original"
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withremote: true
BrushItOn: every piece i paint is original even if same subject or looks like another one..it is original
ScottBulgerPhoto: I'm not educated enough in the nuances of each discipline to say what should be where
VoodooQueen: agreed; sococreative
MidwestieLady: Can't post?
DebiDesigns: ask/ this is only discussing paintings and photographs?
ScottBulgerPhoto: Unfortunately, I can only speak to my own medium
scentbythesea: yep but if you;'re only given three options--handmade, vintage, supplies---you're going to pick handmade to find art right??
MysticSilks: just have a category for photography
MidwestieLady: Are you still considering putting tole painting under collectibles? hope not
DianeClancy: I agree I do not think ART when I see handmade - I see carft
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sococreative: I think the confusion is between being original, as in someone being the originator of the print, and being "an original"
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debralinker: Agreed - handmade = craft
VanFleetStreetDesign: I agree Diane
artkitten: There should be a separate category for art
peaceofpi: YES DianeCalncy I agree!
Art2ArtColorado: so, what do we call digital paintings? a copy?
HouseofSixCats: what about sub-catagories for photography
artkitten: that is a hard one
withremote: reproduction
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karencaseysmith: I've had a lot of people tell me they had a difficult time with the search feature. They couldn't even find me and they knew my name. There are computer challenged people who come to Etsy to shop.
MysticSilks: right handmade= a craft
BululuStudio: thanks
fricdementol: photographs are sold as one item, not multiples like digital prints
BrushItOn: have a category for photography..they work HARD at getting the right shot and lots of people are specifically looking for photography
DreamON: Agree, art is not handmade craft
sococreative: but yes...most folks don't think handmade when they think of art. that's why 'visual art' could help with that
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DHDelectables: i think original should only mean that it is the original piece and thats what the buyer is getting
scentbythesea: how about a category for originals and one for editions. an edition can be limited or open
Art2ArtColorado: that is why OOAK would be helpful as a top level tag
bsartstudio: they already said not a separate photography category
stargazer29609: Maybe a catagory for Fine Art along with handmade ect.
artkitten: yes!
bsartstudio: Fine art = AWESOME
MysticSilks: art is not a handmade craft--it is a specific talent
shirleyjean: I agree handmade you think craft
VanFleetStreetDesign: I agree Mystic
scentbythesea: what site is she looking at??
stargazer29609: Handmade implies the craftmakers ect.
fricdementol: http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5625442
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bsartstudio: fine art is pretty much all 2d and 3d work
debralinker: Fine art has a specific definition - it is not ALL art
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DHDelectables: what was that question the video glitched
fricdementol: some discuss about digital print vs original illustration
debralinker: I'll convo you some links
HeyMichelle: http://www.etsy.com/category_sub_sub.php?tags=art.print.woodblock
peaceofpi: *handmade does not intuitively lead the buyer to art*
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artkitten: right
MysticSilks: Michelle, is etsy going to give more exposure to the artists on etsy?
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DianeClancy: right!!!
DHDelectables: I'm a fine arts major it includes drawing painting printmaking 3d 2d sculpture ceramics
debralinker: Not TOP enough!!!!
artkitten: :)
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DHDelectables: i also had to take a computer art class
BululuStudio: oh picasso where are you? lol
DreamON: up, up, up. Top cat
DianeClancy: Yes - ART or FINE ART should be top
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Art2ArtColorado: lol! bulu
bsartstudio: promote the fact that we have a lot of quality fine art
debralinker: Etsy = crafts. We would love to see more art in the general Etsy brand.
stargazer29609: I agree peace,
bsartstudio: that is collectible and increasing in value
BululuStudio: lol
debralinker: Below ACcessories is not TOP level enough.
fricdementol: there are many Picassos on etsy
fernfiddlehead: I agree with bsartstudio
Egilpatr: What is your convo address?
peaceofpi: yes debra
fricdementol: even better.....
debralinker: Not enough art on FP
fernfiddlehead: a lot of illustration art
DebiDesigns: Michelle did you get my question?
Lisaober: Art vs. crafts
artkitten: Thatis true, Michelle
jared: i've been thinking about the best way to show available art on Etsy for a long time
artkitten: most people put art in their treasuries
BrushItOn: no, jewelry makes it
Art2ArtColorado: and?
debralinker asks, Is there any point to our continuing to try to get Etsy to change their mind about art at the top level (like Handmade)?
dmriceart: I honestly think ART is very well represented here!!!
stitchykatt: Yes it is...too much I think
Explorations: i see clothing and jewlry more ont eh front apge
MysticSilks: Those o f us who belong to art teams, do many treasuriesto give oursleves more exposure
jared: and it's complicated :)
DreamON: many illustrations, not too much fine art on front page
ScottBulgerPhoto: I don't think so debra
peaceofpi: GO debralinker!!!
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Art2ArtColorado: yes, lol! thanks, jared
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jared: i want to build a gallery browser specifically for finding art
ArtByIris: Etsy needs to promote Etsy in general
dmriceart: I think the word 'handmade' is just a word... that people are getting 'hung up on'...
debralinker: Handmade = CRAFT
sococreative: if art can't be its own top level, then we need to change it from art to 'visual art'
jared: the larger you can see the art, the greater the chance the buyer will want it
jared: imho
Art2ArtColorado: good idea!
MysticSilks: But art is not handmade persei---it's not like a craft!
dmriceart: I like Handmade...!
bsartstudio asks, what about the sellers that repost paintings that they have done already "just for you" but essentially repaint it?
HouseofSixCats: how about sub cats for photography?
debralinker: THINK ABOUT IT! We will continue to bring it up as long as I am around = )
jared: another big part of buying art is knowing the artist
angelasart: I think most people think of "crafts' and not "paintings / artwork" when they think of etsy
ArtByIris: I live in Brooklyn and every person I know and I mention etsy to never heard of it before i mention it
BululuStudio: no way
MysticSilks: I don't craft my art--I create it!
jared: the more the collector feels like they know you as an artist, the greater the chance of making the buy
artkitten: maybe, sometimes they like the mystery
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artkitten: :)
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BrushItOn: I create my art too.......
Explorations: but is it up to etsy to police the ethics of that person who repaints an original or makes a repro of a OOAK?
jared: haha
Egilpatr asks, What will this how will this affect Teams definition of art?
Egilpatr: We need to havea policy on giving acknowledement to sources that were copied!!!
ArtfulMosaicsByDana: Art can be well-crafted but art is art...not craft.
estasketch: art is definitely handmade, art and craft cross over a lot. sculpture, ceramics, printmaking.. it's a craft to make these types of art..
bsartstudio: i agree, a lot of us want to raise the reputation of Etsy in the art world
jared: i'm totally with you on that bsartstudio
Egilpatr: Teams' define art for membership criteria
dmriceart: estasketch... I agree :O)
peaceofpi: YES bsartstufio
ArtfulMosaicsByDana: Exactly Egilpatr.
ArtByIris asks, to me the most important to me is being able to find the original and not reproduction in the categories, how soon will the change be implemented?
DianeClancy: handmade suggests craft not art - I don't see art on front page
scentbythesea: i dont think etsy will ever be sothebys
DHDelectables: estasketch i think thats what confuses people because although they are a craft form they're also fine art
angelasart: I think that the main problem is tag abuse not tag confusion
MysticSilks: I once saw painted shoelaces under art--come on!
Art2ArtColorado: good idea!
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artonthemenu: Definitions would be great for the buyers
fernfiddlehead: the art you see on the front page is very comic or illustrative most of the time
DebiDesigns asks, can I tag my artdolls and fiberarts in art? can we get a subcategory on artdolls tagged as figurative sculpture?
bsartstudio: Etsy doesn't have to be sotheby's, but it can have as good of a reputation as dailypainters.com or the large art fairs int he country
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debralinker: You say CHANGING the tag to OOAK - but please mean ADDING the OOAK tag
ArtfulMosaicsByDana: Yes....adding, not changing.
DianeClancy: people here don't agree on what OOAK mean - repros or not
Art2ArtColorado: and please try out adding OOAK to see how it goes
sococreative: people need to realize that if you make more than one, it's not an original, and it's not ooak. that's misleading for a buyer
ArtByIris: no repros diane
edamamepress: one of a kind means one:)
BululuStudio: agree soco
fernfiddlehead: buyers need to inform themselves too.
artkitten: it can be an original if it is in printmaking
MysticSilks: I'd just like to see art work on etsy front page as often as I see other 'stuff'
dmriceart: Repros are not ooak, I don't think...
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fricdementol: series too?
BululuStudio: that's depends on the seller ethics
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SarahsSky: one of a kind and original is not the same thing.. you can make handmade prints that are not reproductions and they are not one of a kind
sococreative: well it starts with us first. how can we expect them to know anything if we don't
fricdementol: i make series, they are all OOAK
debralinker: Thank you (adding vs changing).
nutnutgoods: agreed
peaceofpi: agree OOAK will be mistagged
fricdementol: not just one
ArtByIris: yes
dmriceart: That is perfect!
peaceofpi: One of a kind better
bsartstudio: one of a king = better than ooak
fricdementol: but they are all diferent
ArtByIris: one of a kind
artonthemenu: yes
jared: OOAK is kind of universe in the online shopping world?
jared: *universal
madelaine: how about "one of a kind"
bsartstudio: king, or kind :)
fricdementol: this is very confused
JessicaDoyle: just like aceo is misused
Explorations: yes...try it..see how it goes
karencaseysmith: I like One Of A Kind over OOAK
BrushItOn: being older than the hills...I didn't know what OOAK was!!!
ArtworkbyNadia: original drawings
stargazer29609: How do we convo you? I have convoed any one from Etsy.
edamamepress: printmaking
madelaine: Printmaking
estasketch: they already are...
Explorations: no solution will satisfy 100%
DHDelectables: i think its going to be misused quickly because some people will feel that their creation is "one of a kind" in the sense that their art is so different perhaps?
artkitten: printmaking!
BululuStudio: one of a kind (OOAK)
nifties: I like the print category as is!!
MysticSilks: But I think one of a kind, can cause a lot of miss tagging!
angelasart: I think the tag "one of a kind" will just be abused just like the "original" tage will be abused :(
VoodooQueen: I do think it makes a lot of sense to make available a list of the different terminology used by all, so people can also use it as a reference
dmriceart: Change ACEOS to ART CARDS?
BululuStudio: so everybody is happy
Egilpatr: printmaking is a process, not an item
DebiDesigns: audio went out
edamamepress: can you remove reproduction from print category?
nutnutgoods: yeah original is too vague
ArtfulMosaicsByDana: Egilpatr is correct.
DreamON: ok, the original is OOAK, but when it shows up in a photo it already is not OOAK. Right?
fricdementol: yes, like screenprinting
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fricdementol: is a process
debralinker: What about reproductions OF prints?
jenniferdennispotter: agreed, original is too confusing
Art2ArtColorado: try the one of a kind.... and please don't change ACEO to ATC
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DHDelectables: exactly
sococreative: right DreamON
DebiDesigns: lots of peopel believe what they beleive and as long as they believe it its alright for them to mistag, abuse tags
BululuStudio: is the same thing michelle
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bsartstudio: since were not reselling, EVERYTHING is original
BululuStudio: unique
scentbythesea: if you're selling one photo it''s one of a kind, if you're selling multiples of the exact same photo it's not
SarahsSky: everyone tags one of a kind.. its on jewelry.. its on everything
Egilpatr: Can you see a museum saying see our one of a kinds
fricdementol: for me one thing that you reproduce or can reproduce without a limit is not art
thedreamygiraffe: I'm just afraid the reproductions are going to be left out in the cold here
debralinker: ACEO is a different thing than